Rick Warren Agrees Not to Evangelize Muslims

I have never met Rick Warren the pastor of Saddleback church in CA.  I understand he is always looking for an unorthodox way to reach people. I am all for that. There are many people around us from different backgrounds and beliefs.  

However, there is always a danger for any of us as teachers of God’s word to cross the line.  I do not have anything against Mr. Warren as a person, and yet I do have a huge disagreement to his approach and belief on how to reach Muslims. Growing up as a Muslim in the Middle East, I also have insights Mr. Warren does not.

An Islamic website published and article on Feb 26th titled: King’s Way Unites US Evangelicals, Muslims as well The Orange County Register published an article on Feb 23 titled: Rick Warren builds bridges to Muslims in which Mr. Warren started a new outreach program called “King’s Way.” According to the article, Mr. Warren has found favor with various Muslim leaders and apparently is one of the few evangelical pastors (an influential one mind you) doing this kind of outreach to Muslim Imams and the Muslim community.  In the process, the article says:

“The Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest and one of America’s most influential Christian leaders, has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.”[Italics my own]

As a Christian from a Muslim background I know for sure that YHWH is NOT Allah. It seems that American Christian leaders have adopted a “Nice Theology” at all cost, even at the cost of the identity of Jesus Christ. If Mr. Warren agrees on the same god Allah, then one must ask, “Does he believe that Jesus of the Bible is the same Jesus (Isa) of the Qur’an as well?” I can assure you, they are NOT.

This approach is a one-way street. You never see Muslims or Imams do this.  Growing up as a Muslim, we were taught that the God of the Christian was not Allah. This belief is well known in the Muslim world. Muslims in the west go along with this ignorance because there is an agenda to spread Islam. People like Mr. Warren are helping this agenda by his own naive belief and approaches.  This makes me sad, insulted, and I know God is not pleased with this type of compromise.

The article further states:

“Warren has faced criticism from some evangelicals for his outreach to Muslims. Late last year, he issued a statement flatly denying rumors that he promulgates what critics term “Chrislam,” a merging of Islam and Christianity. The “rumor is 100 percent false,” Warren wrote at Pastors.com, a website he founded that provides practical advice to church leaders. “My life and ministry are built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.””

On one hand, he says Jesus is the only way, on the other, he agrees with the Muslims by saying we worship the same God.  Which is it Mr. Warren? It seems that he has divorced God the Father from the Son.  Jesus is God and God is Jesus. Mr. Warren does not have the luxury to separate the two when dealing with Muslims.  Of course in his website and answering criticisms like this post, he will say that he believes in the Holy Triune God. But, his actions and words when dealing with Muslims tell me otherwise.  There are three issues that are raised in my mind:

  1. I have misunderstood Mr. Warren’s words and claim, and he needs to come out in public and show clearly why the Christian and Jewish teachings of YHWH and the Muslim teachings of Allah have a very long history of a totally different view of God.
  2. Does Mr Warren believe that Jesus and the Father are not the one, as Islamic writings teach, or that they are one, as the authors of the New Testament writings present?
  3. If his involvement in this outreach comes from a huge ignorance about Islam, the Qur’an, the Hadith (Islamic Traditions) and the Sira (Muhammad’s Bio), how much harm is being done in the name of “tolerance” and “unity”?

These kinds of activities are not helping the church or America.

In the Middle East, it is a custom to celebrate the death of a child who has taken their own life in an act of jihad against the infidel by the use of a suicide bomb to kill Christians and Jews, the “infidels”.

This teaching is at the heart of Islam. It is also a teaching that is polar opposite of the teachings from the Scriptures and from the lives of Christian martyrs for almost 2,000 years, where being willing to die for your faith at the demands of violent tyrants is well known historic fact the world over.

I will make one final point. As an evangelical pastor, I would assume that Mr. Warren would agree that Christ word’s from the Gospel’s compels him to see men and women come to Christ and leave false teachings. If so, what should Mr. Warren make of this quote by Imam Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles?

“We agreed we wouldn’t try to evangelize each other,” said Turk. “We’d witness to each other but it would be out of ‘Love Thy Neighbor,’ not focused on conversion.”

By agreeing NOT to evangelize Muslims with the desire that they come to faith in Christ, a direct violation of the Great Commission commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ in Matt: 28:16-20, are we not siding with Islam, and standing against YHWH? In the Old Testament, a mixture of other religions with the teachings of YHWH always brought judgment.  I see no reason to believe that developing political correct plans in the name of tolerance today should not still bring about judgments from YHWH.

If Mr. Warren still confused about Islamic theology, I would advise him to go to these websites that will educate him and his staff:

Living Oasis Ministries; Answering Islam; Engaging Islam; Political Islam

Wake up American Church, you have been led by confused and uninformed leaders.

 

 

 

CFNS: Moderate Islamists on Edge In Egypt

 CFNS found this note on IPT Regarding an article on Cutting Edge News:

A note from Investigative Project on Terrorism Executive Director Steven Emerson:

Please take the time to read this very important story written by a courageous Egyptian liberal intellectual about the Islamist and Muslim Brotherhood lobbies in Washington and the Obama Administration’s secret collaboration with these pro-terrorist, anti-Western, anti-women, anti-American and anti-Semitic organizations. This is one of the most important articles I have read in years.

It was just revealed two days ago that FBI Director Mueller secretly met on February 8 at FBI headquarters with a coalition of groups including various Islamist and militant Arabic groups who in the past have defended Hamas and Hizbullah and have also issued blatantly anti-Semitic statements. At this meeting, the FBI revealed that it had removed more than 1000 presentations and curricula on Islam from FBI offices around the country that was deemed “offensive.” The FBI did not reveal what criteria was used to determine why material was considered “offensive” but knowledgeable law enforcement sources have told the IPT that it was these radical groups who made that determination. Moreover, numerous FBI agents have confirmed that from now on, FBI headquarters has banned all FBI offices from inviting any counter-terrorist specialists who are considered “anti-Islam” by Muslim Brotherhood front groups.

The February 8 FBI meeting was the culmination of a series of unpublicized directives issued in the last three months by top FBI officials to all its field offices to immediately recall and withdraw any presentation or curricula on Islam throughout the entire FBI. In fact, according to informed sources and undisclosed documents, the FBI directive was instigated by radical Muslim groups in the US who had repeatedly met with top officials of the Obama Administration to complain, among other things, that the mere usage of the term of “radical Islam” in FBI curricula was “offensive” and ‘racist.” And thus, directives went out by Attorney General Eric Holder and FBI Director Mueller to censor all such material. Included in the material destroyed or removed by the FBI and the DOJ were power points and articles that defined jihad as “holy war” or presentations that portrayed the Muslim Brotherhood as an organization bent on taking over the world—a major tenet that the Muslim Brotherhood has publicly stated for decades.  Read More


The Cutting Edge News

Islamist Lobbies’ Washington War on Arab and Muslim Liberals

by Essam Abdallah

February 16, 2012

Why were the bureaucracies in Washington and in Brussels partnering with Islamists in the region and not with their natural allies the democracy promoting political forces?

Months into the Arab Spring, we realized that the Western powers, and the Obama Administration have put their support behind the new authoritarians, those who are claiming they will be brought to power via the votes of the people. Well, it is not quite so.

The Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamic Nahda of Tunisia, the Justice Party of Morocco and the Islamist militias in Libya’s Transitional National Council have been systematically supported by Washington at the expense of real liberal and secular forces. We saw day by day how the White House guided carefully the statements and the actions of the US and the State Department followed through to give all the chances to the Islamists and almost no chances to the secular and revolutionary youth. We will come back to detail these diplomatic and financial maneuvers which are giving victory to the fundamentalists while the secular and progressives are going to be smashed by the forthcoming regimes.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=53331&pageid=&pagename=

During the next several months, the IPT will be releasing a series of major investigative reports revealing the secret infiltration by and collaboration with radical Islamic organizations by the Obama administration that has spread to the National Security Council, the Dept of Justice, the FBI, the Dept of Homeland Security, the CIA and the State Department as well as local law enforcement.

 

WAKE UP AMERICA.. Read More from CFNS

 

Islamic Spain

Muslims have nearly retaken Spain due to weak immigration policies and a high value have been put on political correctness.  Spain has been a target by Islamic Wahabbies with the help of Saudi Arabia to retake Spain, which they believe it belongs to them.

In America the same thing is happening. Unfortunately due to the large population and real estate of America the public has not seen this up close.  Spain is much smaller with close communities that it is very much in your face.  American people must wake up and demand of our politicians to enforce stricter law on immigration legal or illegal, especially Muslim immigration.  Muslims around the world have a very proven record that they do NOT assimilate into the culture, values, and freedoms of the country they migrate to.

The U.S. authorities have been in denial for years to the possibility that Hezobllah, Hamas, and other terrorist group can and will operate in Mexico.  Well, it seems that we have a smoking gun and the DHS is still not willing to look into this activity. America must shut down our southern borders and treat Mexico as a country that is cooperating with terrorists and hold them accountable. Hezbollah On the Border.

The liberals and the elite of America are working very hard to follow the example of Europe of Multiculturalism. It is very important to see that this is a National Security threat to our nation due to the doctrine of Islam in which it prevents the Muslims from assimilating into non-Muslim culture. Multiculturalism vs. Islam

It is to the survival of American identity to be vigilant to the true intentions of Islamic immigration to the U.S.A.

WAKE UP AMERICA…

Obama Knew The Future of Egypt

Twelve months ago, many Americans had bought into the bogus lie of the Obama administration that the Arab Spring is a good thing for democracy. The testimonies of the administration in congress assuring the house members and the American people that the Arab Spring is a new change for freedom in North Africa and Middle East.  Unfortunately, most of the members of congress were ignorant enough to believe this lie.

Muslim Brotherhood takes 73% of Parliament seats

Many Americans including CFNS did not believe this lie and knew what is happening and what is coming a head.  CFNS wrote about it: Why is Obama promoting the Muslim Brotherhood?. The Administration accused those who casted doubts on their idiotic approach to Egypt as being alarmists and ignorant of the Middle East dynamics.  The administration promised more democracy, openness, transparency, and more human rights.

As promised by the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) that they will be taking over majority in the Egyptian Parliament with a theEgypt’s new assembly elects a Muslim Brotherhood Speaker. It took 9/11 attack for the American people to pay attention to Islam and its beliefs. Now they just started to hear about the Muslim Brotherhood and have been Asking Questions on the Muslim Brotherhood.

Camp David Peace Treaty 1978

There are indication that the new leadership of Egypt under the MB leadership would like to see the peace treaty with Israel signed at Camp David in 1978 canceled.

We have already witnessed the new Egyptian government cracking down on human rights and the persecution of the Coptic Christians. There has been numerous deaths and burning of churches by the militant arm of the MB called the Salafis.

It is evident that Obama has allowed and aided the Muslim Brotherhood to come to power in Egypt, Libya, and Tunisia.  Now the administration acting as very shocked to what is happening in Egypt and how the MB are treating their people and American Non-Profits organizations. Egypt is set to try 43 NGO workers, including 19 Americans over funds. Now we see Obama and Clinton outraged to this new developments and threatening to withhold aid to Egyptian military.

WHAT? WE HAD NO IDEA

It is very clear from Obama’s first visit to Egypt in 2009 and his speech of apology in the Egyptian parliament in which he invited members of MB who were outlawed then to sit in and hear his speak that his indication was an always will be is to turn North Africa & Middle East into a more theocratic Islamic rule under the MB in North Africa and Syria, and Shi’ite in Iraq and parts of the Gulf. All of which he and his administration acting very surprised and appalled.

Since Obama became the U.S. President, he had a pro-Islamic agenda that is very much detrimental to our National Security.  We are seeing what the MB is doing in Middle East, what they over all agenda for the west and the world.  Yet, Obama does not have the American people National Security’s interested at heart.  You can see that evident in his appointments of MB members to DHS.

FBI Confirms 3 Operatives of The Muslim Brotherhood Have Infiltrated Obama Admin. Infiltration of the federal government by members of the radical Muslim Brotherhood is worse than some have warned recently, says a former FBI special agent in Washington. The agent confirmed that at least three operatives of the Egypt-based Brotherhood – whose credo is “Jihad is our way and death in the cause of Allah is our dream” – have penetrated the Obama administration. The shocking charge was first leveled by Muslim reformer Tarek Fatah during a recent speech in Toronto. “When someone says that there is penetration of jihadi Islamists within society, do not dismiss it as some right-wing, xenophobic, racist rant,” warned Fatah, a Canadian journalist. “Today in the White House, there are three members of the Muslim Brotherhood that influence Obama’s policy,” he told the audience gathered for an IdeaCity conference. “One is Rashad Hassan, who is the American ambassador to the 52-nation Organization of Islamic (Conference).” Read MORE

There are plenty of evidence that the Obama Administration have failed to protect the American people, the U.S. National Security, and American’s influence.

WAKE UP AMERICA… VOTE OBAMA AND MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD OUT IN 2012.

The Grand Jihad, & Failure of US Leadership

Democrat leaders testify:

As many Muslims come to America to escape Sharia law, they find Democrat leaders, James Clapper and Hillary Clinton testifying in congress in 2010 that the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) in Egypt is mainly secular and harmless. They claimed that it is good for Egypt and democracy that the Muslim Brotherhood participates in the democratic process during the Arab Spring of 2010.  Well, it does not seem to work very well does it?  Egypt already been taken over by the MB with over 70% of the parliament membership. We are already seeing the effect of the MB infiltration into our nation, as we are Loosing freedom of speech in U.S. universities.  We are also seeing American institutions are bowing down to Islamic Sharia in America such as “The American Bar Association For Jihad”.  What a great “welcome to America” when the leaders of the country of refuge aligns with the barbarians you had fled.

Some History as narrated by Bill Whittle for Encounter Books

Due to Obama and His Behavior Towards Egypt;  Egypt is already showing signs of anti-American policy that will not be beneficial to American National Security.  So much for Obama kissing the Islamic hands to make them like us.  Every American must ask:

CFNS.org

Why is Obama promoting the Muslim Brotherhood?

To those who voted for Obama and those who had doubts about the direction he is taking America, the events in Egypt should shed some light on to the answer to this question. The Muslim Brother hood was outlawed in Egypt by Mubarak for sometime ago now. So, they decided to forgo so-called “violence” in Egypt. They did not have much clout politically, but they did to a certain extent have a presence among the population. The current events in Egypt did not give them much platform until the American president gave them the platform they dreamed of.

In 2009 ‘Obama met Muslim Brotherhood members in U.S.’ He also arranged to meet with 11 members of the Muslim Brotherhood in Cairo when he gave his apology speech.

Last week, Obama did what no American president will ever do. That is inviting a Jihadest terrorist organization to have a chance to run a country that was America’s close ally by saying that Muslim Brotherhood needs to be at the table. Clinton cautiously welcomes Brotherhood talks, it is interesting how the State Department use the word cautiously. I guess that will ease people’s mind that this group will be nice if we approach them “Cautiously.”  Read more

WAKE UP AMERICA…. Obama is taking America down the wrong path. VOTE HIM OUT in 2012